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What men wear and what women wear is certainly culturally dependent. Likewise, what what culture considers to be immodest, another culture certainly does not. In addition, cultural norms within the same general cultural change with the time frame of reference. I would submit no modern woman or man abides by what was "right" for a man or "right" for a woman in the time frame of Deut. The admonition that is universal appears to be " I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety 1 Ti 2:9" . Even here the term "modesty" does not appear to refer to "scanty clothing"(see definition below) as seemed to be implied by the above reference to Matt:28., but rather to an attitude that is portrayed by the person ( explicitly in the case in Tim of women ) of insolence or being without shame. This can take many forms and is not constant across cultures.
A. The Greek Terms for Shame and Disgrace.a. aidós was an old term, rare in Hellenism, revived by Stoicism. It denoted reverence, e.g., for God, divine things, rulers, and parents, as well as respect for laws of hospitality, marriage and family, the state and its laws. Applied inwardly, it could then suggest a “sense of shame” but also a “sense of honor” in contrast to shamelessness or insolence.b. Early on, it was linked with the distinct word aischýnē, “shame” at an act, or lowly birth, or humiliation, though also “disgrace” and even perhaps “ignominy.”B. The Hellenistic Use of aidṓs. Philo has aidṓs in the Greek and later Stoic sense, but in the LXX we find it only in 3 Macc. 1:19; 4:5, though the verb aideísthai is more common (e.g., Prov. 24:38), and anaidḗs is often used for “insolent,” e.g., with face, eye, or mind.C. The Early Christian Use of aidṓs. The only sure instance in the NT is “modest demeanor” in 1 Tim. 2:9. adeísthai does not occur at all, nor do the apostolic fathers use aidṓs. The reason for this absence of the group is that a Christian’s being is not defined by his relation to himself but by his relation to God and neighbor, and the relation to neighbor rests on the neighbor’s claim rather than a sense of the state or cosmos.
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It is really Lynn S. Nored not James Nored said:What men wear and what women wear is certainly culturally dependent. Likewise, what what culture considers to be immodest, another culture certainly does not. In addition, cultural norms within the same general cultural change with the time frame of reference. I would submit no modern woman or man abides by what was "right" for a man or "right" for a woman in the time frame of Deut. The admonition that is universal appears to be " I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety 1 Ti 2:9" . Even here the term "modesty" does not appear to refer to "scanty clothing"(see definition below) as seemed to be implied by the above reference to Matt:28., but rather to an attitude that is portrayed by the person ( explicitly in the case in Tim of women ) of insolence or being without shame. This can take many forms and is not constant across cultures.
A. The Greek Terms for Shame and Disgrace.a. aidós was an old term, rare in Hellenism, revived by Stoicism. It denoted reverence, e.g., for God, divine things, rulers, and parents, as well as respect for laws of hospitality, marriage and family, the state and its laws. Applied inwardly, it could then suggest a “sense of shame” but also a “sense of honor” in contrast to shamelessness or insolence.b. Early on, it was linked with the distinct word aischýnē, “shame” at an act, or lowly birth, or humiliation, though also “disgrace” and even perhaps “ignominy.”B. The Hellenistic Use of aidṓs. Philo has aidṓs in the Greek and later Stoic sense, but in the LXX we find it only in 3 Macc. 1:19; 4:5, though the verb aideísthai is more common (e.g., Prov. 24:38), and anaidḗs is often used for “insolent,” e.g., with face, eye, or mind.C. The Early Christian Use of aidṓs. The only sure instance in the NT is “modest demeanor” in 1 Tim. 2:9. adeísthai does not occur at all, nor do the apostolic fathers use aidṓs. The reason for this absence of the group is that a Christian’s being is not defined by his relation to himself but by his relation to God and neighbor, and the relation to neighbor rests on the neighbor’s claim rather than a sense of the state or cosmos.
The biggest trend that I have seen all of my life is for people to dress in a manner that is in adherance to whatever the current societal trend of their peers. This is probably the very worst basis for a christian to use as a criteria for dress or for behavior. I have found, and this seems very simple to me, that if we as christians always make it a point to dress as if Jesus was going to be wherever we were dressing to go, we would probably always be dressed modestly and properly. That would apply to our dailylives but I feel that it applies extremely well in our decisions regarding proper dress for our worship activities. I feel that it would apply especially whenever we come together with God's people in the church that Jesus built in order to worship and obey him. This should apply to men and women, simply dress the way we would if Jesus was there.
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